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Danny Husk
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:37:00 -
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*laughs as EVE servers buckle under the strain of 55,000 people logging in at once to queue BC V*
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Danny Husk
EVE University
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:20:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:I bet people who read this devblog are already training Battlecruiser from 4 to 5 as it will probably guaranteee that they get all racial skills.
Here's a question: What happens to people who never trained BC or destroyer at all, but just trained Frigate -> Cruiser -> BS? Do they magically get Destroyer IV + BC IV in any race where they have already trained BS I? Because they already had BS . . . and we're "not taking away anything you can fly today." It seems unlikely many people would have skipped BC entirely, but this is an even better scam than those who have BC V winding up with BC V x4.
And the same goes for Cruiser IV . . . if we're auto-magically going to get BC V x4, doesn't that mean we also auto-magically have to get Cruiser IV x4 . . . and of course now Destroyer IV x4 . . . Frigate IV x 4 . . .?
I dunno. I'm starting to like this idea. Cause my epic all-races subcap cross-train just shrank to . . . 10d, 7m, 1s. |
Danny Husk
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:51:00 -
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Lando wrote:Everyone seems so concerned about getting their faction battle cruiser skills, what about phase two? When you revamp half the ships in the game and I don't want to fly them anymore? Say I wanted the battleship with the most tank so I crossed trained amarr and now gallente fill that role just as well or even better? I wasted 30 days training a ship I'm not going to fly anymore? Or worse, have to train another 30 days to fly the new "brick"?
It sounds even worse than that; look at the title of the blog: "Rebalancing EVE. One ship at a time." They already said Inferno is going to screw Amarr first . . . and then all those people have to wait six months or a year sitting around with nothing to fly, waiting to see how everyone else winds up getting screwed, before deciding how to spend their precious "bonus" of refunded SP. Meanwhile everyone else gets to wonder who gets stuffed next, and stops cross training entirely since it's all either going to be "free" or a complete waste of time. |
Danny Husk
EVE University
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:11:00 -
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Probably because the intern who did that image was working off a powerpoint from a staff meeting, leftover from 2003; which seems to be about when the person who came up with this plan last logged into the game.
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Danny Husk
EVE University
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:10:00 -
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Effortless Breeze wrote:So assuming that you will be able to fly all ships you can fly post patch, any level of racial cruiser trained would need to get a racial destroyer to IV added to your characters skills. Any level of racial battleship or capital would require both racial destroyer AND racial battlecruiser IV to be added to the character sheet
This is why the money move for anyone not "all V" right now is to forget about Dessie / BC and train all racial BS skills to I. Guaranteed you wll get all racial Destroyer and BC to IV for the price of around a 10 day train today. If you can get BC V, Destroyer V before the patch hits, so much the better. |
Danny Husk
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:16:00 -
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Time to train racial BS IV x4 today:
64d
Time to train racial BS IV x4 after "Inferno":
98d
Here is my offer to you, CCP:
I buy one PLEX, drop it to my hangar at Jita 4-4, and trash it.
You delete this threadnaught and just pretend that whole "racial BC and destroyer skills" thing never happened.
We call it even. |
Danny Husk
EVE University
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Posted - 2012.03.08 03:45:00 -
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Mariner6 wrote:"Attack vessels: Made for hit and run assault, or flanking opportunities. Have great damage and mobility, but average defense. Similar in role with cavalry. EVE examples: Armageddon, Megathron, Tempest, Oracle, Thorax, Hurricane, Dominix, Myrmidon."
Am I seeing the Dominix being described as having great damage and mobility? Is there some speed boost to the Domi I don't know about?
You're reading right. Whoever wrote this "plan" hasn't got a ****ing clue. |
Danny Husk
EVE University
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Posted - 2012.03.09 13:40:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Example:
Before, training for a Harbinger required you to train for Amarr Frigate 4, Amarr Cruiser 3 and Battlecruisers at 2
Before, training for an Absolution required you to train for Amarr Frigate 4, Amarr Cruiser 5, Battlecruiser at 5 and Heavy Assault Ships at 4
Now, training for a Harbinger requires you to train for Amarr Frigate 4, Amarr Destroyer 4, Amarr Cruiser 4 and then Amarr Battlecruiser at 1.
Now, training for an Absolution requires you to train for Amarr Frigate 4, Amarr Destroyer 4, Amarr Cruiser 4 and Amarr Battlecruiser at 5. There is no more need for the Amarr Cruiser 5 and Heavy Assault Ship at 4.
The reason your answers to these questions aren't making any sense is because you are still dancing around the one simple problem that obviously drives this entire plan: The Drake.
The whole thing comes down to this: We put some ships called BCs in the game a while back, and one of them was stupidly OP. In fact it was so stupidly OP that our T2 cruisers are an embarassment compared to it. This is even more of a problem since the T2 cruiser takes 5x as long to get into. We see now that this stupidly OP ship never should have happened, or should have been just another Tech 2 hull. But we can't nerf it, because people will scream bloody murder. And we can't buff the T2 cruisers, because then they would be stupidly OP.
So what we're gonna do is: move all the BCs far enough up the training curve to put them out of the reach of vile noobs; pull the T2 cruisers down the curve a bit to make them seem like a better deal; then make all the other BCs just as stupidly OP.
Balance achieved.
Also we'll throw in some new dessies. Maybe. And caps will be 30 days shorter. So it all works out in the end. |
Danny Husk
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.09 13:46:00 -
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double post |
Danny Husk
EVE University
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:59:00 -
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Creat Posudol wrote:What on earth are you smoking?
Good point. Rank 6 skill x4 + Rank 2 skill x4 is "only a few days longer" than Rank 6 skill x1.
Thanks for clearing that up for us. |
Danny Husk
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:40:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:The hope is that after ship rebalancing, people won't have to cross-train any more. That is, every race will have a perfectly viable ship for any role in the game. Which should include solo, gang, fleet, blob, etc. At least that's what I'm hoping for.
What you're hoping for is a boring game that sucks. If you want Red v. Blue classes and RP-PvP, then there are games that do those things. EVE survives, at least in part, because it does not do them. |
Danny Husk
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:55:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:1: Ok, thats cool, PvP is really fun. You have to train Minmatar then.
Yeah, you're right. Now that I think about it, I know a TON of Drake and Tengu pilots who could have used this advice like a year ago. And all those idiots flying around in Abaddons who definitely did not get the memo. And all those Guardian and Basilisk pilots . . . and who the hell keeps bringing these Blasterthrons to small gang fights? Those guys just don't get it. And those Nyx pilots . . . man, don't even get me started on the Nyx pilots.
And don't you even THINK about training a Taranis. If I EVER see you flying a Taranis, I will pod you myself.
You should maybe write a blog or something though, cause people need your help. |
Danny Husk
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.09 20:40:00 -
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Swearte Widfarend wrote:Tell you a secret EVE Uni.
Here's our real secret, brother: In the blob, nobody knows you're flying a Bantam. |
Danny Husk
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.09 20:55:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:I'm not against variety. I'm for variety. And making all of the game's ships equally desirable will increase variety of the ships you see flying around, not reduce it.
I can't really dis-agree with anything you said. But there is a difference between balance and equality.
Racial balance, in itself, is not a good target, but anything that makes cross-training harder will turn up the volume on the calls for exactly that. It is fine if one race does lots of things reasonably well; and another race does only one thing really, really well; and another is the only race that does a third thing at all. As long as it is reasonable for people to pick and choose, and get to the ships that fit what they want to do from the races that do those things well, it all works out. It also lets CCP be pretty loose about adding a new ship that does something fun and unique, without worrying about keeping every other little thing in "balance" all the time.
There are obviously, painfully obviously, a small number of hulls that need some serious adjustment. There are also a lot of hulls that deserve some long overdue attention, to give them some viable role for some situation, or to make them good for at least one thing, rather than subpar for everything. But there is also a difference between balance and symmetry. Symmetry is one way to achieve balance, but it's not the only way, or even the best way. It might be the easiest way, but it's also the most boring way. And a-symmetry is at the root of what makes EVE, EVE. |
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